We the people have many things in common today, one of them being abiding in the same constitution that was created over 200 years ago. Charles A. Beard’s article, Framing the Constitution, and John P. Roche, The Founding Fathers: A Reform Caucus In Action, have different a different view point on the subject at hand. John P. Roche’s argument was that “not only were they revolutionists, but democrats as well” (Roche 799). While Charles A. Beard’s argument is that the “Spirit of government spawned the Articles of Confederation which created a weak and ineffective government” (Beard 40). that being said